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Cam Chain adjuster
« on: June 17, 2002, 04:20:20 PM »

Can anyone tell me what the average live span of a cam chain adjuster ?? I just got hit with a huge bill to get mine changed, not being technical, I take my bike to the local workshops to work it, but Im told it is a common problem with the CBR. The tech has told me that he has changed some up to four times in one year on several bike he alone has worked on. The thing is what turned out to be a 1 1/2 hour job turned into over a week and included a adjuster, gasket, cam chain, cam chain blade, cam chain blade, tensioner plate, gaskit pulser cover, and (anti - freeze??) - I only took it in because it had a slight rattle - which it still has !! - Any ideas out there, get this strange feeling I have been ripped off... Embarrassed

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2002, 05:54:06 PM »

I'll check the service manual but I don't think it should be that hard. The only thing that should need to be replaced is the tensioner. The gaskets are questionable. The pulser gasket is an o-ring which should not have to be replaced nor should the anti-freeze since they should have had a pan under it to catch what ran out. Sounds a little fishy to me. What year you working on cause I've heard the F4i had some problems with CCT which is suppose to be resolved now. I have a '00 F4 with 27000 km on it and not a problem with the CCT.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2002, 08:17:05 PM »

It's a super easy job. Two bolts. But, replacing it with the sames one won't last long. There are manual ones, I don;t have a link, do a search. A manual CCT will stay quiet. But heres the scoop. There was nothing wrong with the one you replaced. The rattle sounds like ass, but it doesn't hurt anything. Mine rattled for 2 years with no ill effect. In the shop environment, I've never, even seen even one fail. They rattle, but never do any damage. Buy a manual one, if the noise really bothers you.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2002, 10:33:12 AM »

The Bike is a FR2 - 1994 with 21k on the clock, the only reason i took it in was cos the tech said it would kill my engine....looks like they sore me comming hey??...the total bill came to £423 which is round about $625 USD....My wife is going to kick my ass when see finds how much I spent for somthing that sound's like there was nothing really wrong in the first place...

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2002, 05:36:47 PM »

Wow dude. I hate to say it, but you really got ripped off. Even if it really did need done, the job shouldn't cost mor ethan say $200 US including parts. And even that would be high. The part is about $50 if I remember right. And even a mediocre mechanic could install it in less than an hour. If you pulled your bike into my garage, I could put one on and have your bike idling outside my garage in 10 minutes. Seriously.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2002, 07:38:34 PM »

To make maters worse, I took the bike out today and it feels horid, there is a distinct lack of power, the speed is there topping round about 142/3mph but there is no power behind, if you get what I mean, Its lost its va va voom, the throttle has gone really hard, is was a little stickey before, but not this bad, and it just feels well shite to be quite frank...there is no way im taking it back to that place,
the only good thing i noticed was fuel consumption seems a little better.....the question is how do i get my bike working the way it went in....??

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2002, 08:24:33 PM »

Yeah if you really needed the part, it goes for $37.89 usd on www.partsfish.com thats way cheaper than what the dealer would charge you for that part. Besides most of the CCT noise happens at idle or low rpm from what i've seen. At cruising speeds the noise is gone.
Quote from: hondatech on June 18, 2002, 05:36:47 PM

Wow dude. I hate to say it, but you really got ripped off. Even if it really did need done, the job shouldn't cost mor ethan say $200 US including parts. And even that would be high. The part is about $50 if I remember right. And even a mediocre mechanic could install it in less than an hour. If you pulled your bike into my garage, I could put one on and have your bike idling outside my garage in 10 minutes. Seriously.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2002, 12:21:52 AM »

Justin,

Would you opt for the stock CCT or manual if you were replacing a CCT?

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2002, 12:38:33 AM »

I'd do a manual one. The stock one will get noisy. Personaly, I didn;t do anything to mine. I just let it rattle for 2 years. <g> But if I were to replace it, I'd do manual.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2002, 09:37:33 PM »

I have been reading around and am leaning towards the manual CCT. When I get brave enough to go ripping into it. Hehe.
It is an 02 XX. Coming up on 4000miles since 6/1/02. Did my first oil change. Piece of cake. I am usually too busy to do my own wrenching. I am triing to change that. I do enjoy working with my hands and am somewhat mechanically inclined.
Just doing the oil changes saves a fortune. Not to mention the chips the dealer used to put in the Nighthawk tank for me.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2002, 11:51:21 PM »

On the XX I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think it has the cct problems the 600's do.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2002, 12:54:34 AM »

I think you're right the 600's seem to have a higher frequency of CCT problems than the XX's.

How is the 900 coming? Can't wait to see that altogether.

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2002, 05:37:50 AM »

It's all done! I just put about 50 miles on today. I don't have any real good pics, but heres one that at least proves it exists! Wink
http://www.lapdragon.org/~hondatech/pics/done!!!.JPG

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2002, 02:31:54 PM »

I own a '01 f41 w 11k and it rattles like hell. had the cct replaced under warranty. that was aprox' 4k ago. now time for a new one. no problem at idle, but any were between 3&5.5k rpm sounds like sh*#. had an '00 w same problem. any evedence that it really does no harm? ferrous metal in oil at last oil changejust after replacement!. :-<pi>

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Re:Cam Chain adjuster
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2002, 03:46:31 PM »

Evidence? What evidence could I have that something "doesn't" happen? I have no evidence that it does cause damage. Working in a Honda shop fpr the past 4 years, I haven't seen any F2, 3, or 4's ever have a cct failure. I rode my F2 for a good 2-3 years with the rattle. The rattle is pretty much normal. But, it doens't sound like thats your problem. You say it doesn't happen at idle. Well, the cct is most audible at idle when oil pressure hasn't built up enough to tension the cam chain. Your noise may be from somewhere else.

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